Ali vs Tyson

[Dev One]

Am I right in saying that boxing didn't see either of them in their prime, Ali was banned and Tyson was in jail?

I'll still stand by my opinion that some fights Tyson would get a good combination in and get an early round knockout and some fights Ali would hold Tyson out and score a later round TKO. I don't think you can say that one boxer would conclusively win all time.

I'd be just as interested in Tyson-Foreman tbh



I love that video so much

Agreed with every point raised

[Crow-mo]

But how do you know how Tyson would've gone against Ali's opposition? They weren't around

Tyson fought decent technical boxers and lost. Often.

Its a question of style more than anything. Tyson was a flat track bully, who struggled against anyone with decent left jab.

Larry Holmes would've destroyed him

[Spudregus_87]

Ali's the greatest athlete of all time.

/thread.

[Baron Samedi]

Ali's the greatest athlete of all time.

/thread.

You're saying that just because he said it a lot

[Baron Samedi]

Tyson fought decent technical boxers and lost. Often.

Its a question of style more than anything. Tyson was a flat track bully, who struggled against anyone with decent left jab.

Larry Holmes would've destroyed him

Mike Tyson vs. Larry Holmes - Boxrec Boxing Encyclopaedia

Suffice to say it may not have been prime Holmes

[Dev One]

Tyson fought decent technical boxers and lost. Often.

Its a question of style more than anything. Tyson was a flat track bully, who struggled against anyone with decent left jab.

Larry Holmes would've destroyed him

He's only lost to five boxers. His last two fights shouldn't even count, he just jumped in the ring because he was bankrupt and got knocked out both times by inferior opponents, he was also 40 and well passed his prime. He didn't care about the result just desperately needed money... Partially ruined his legacy unfortunately.

So that leaves him losing only to Buster Douglas, Evander Holyfield and Lennox Lewis. All are massive names in boxing.

[Nige Cooper]

So that leaves him losing only to Buster Douglas, Evander Holyfield and Lennox Lewis. All are massive names in boxing.

From what I've read those two (especially Lewis) ducked him until he was past it as well

[PeKing Duck]

Am I right in saying that boxing didn't see either of them in their prime, Ali was banned and Tyson was in jail?

I'll still stand by my opinion that some fights Tyson would get a good combination in and get an early round knockout and some fights Ali would hold Tyson out and score a later round TKO. I don't think you can say that one boxer would conclusively win all time.

I'd be just as interested in Tyson-Foreman tbh



I love that video so much

4:24 onwards, shit gets real. Listen to the fuckin crowd... hair-raising stuff

I don't think people realise just how ridiculous Foreman's power was. The man had bricks for fists.

[Big Sledge]

Why no poll?

Secondly it's all irrelevant next to this man

[Crow-mo]

Mike Tyson vs. Larry Holmes - Boxrec Boxing Encyclopaedia

Suffice to say it may not have been prime Holmes

I think the prime part was implied.

Holmes has a much greater case to be goat than tyson.

Tyson was a latter day foreman.

Further i don't see the argument why prison is an excuse for his decline, didnt hurt bernard hopkins.

Douglas burst tysons mystique, when he lost that, he lost "it"

[Crow-mo]

From what I've read those two (especially Lewis) ducked him until he was past it as well

not sure what you've been reading, but Lennox is a year older and Holyfield 4 years older than Tyson.

pretty hard for an older dude to wait until the younger bloke is past it.

[Crow-mo]

So that leaves him losing only to Buster Douglas, Evander Holyfield and Lennox Lewis. All are massive names in boxing.

sure, I don't have much an issue with that.

Other than that those names he lost to, are much bigger names than any of the guys he beat. there are no massive names in his win column (presuming old age pensioners don't count). Douglas is only a big name because he beat Tyson.

Ali for example lost to Frazier, lost to Norton, lost to Leon Spinks, but he also beat Frazier, Norton & Spinks. He also beat Sonny freakin' Liston, George Foreman etc.