Bulldogs Should Have Traded Matthew Boyd to GWS/GC

[Gus]

Sorry I'm not interested in hoarding deadwood like the dogs are.

Lol now I know you are clueless. Boyd is not deadwood.

But hey, thanks for fucking up melbourne's list for the next 5-10 years. Who are you really? Cameron Schwab? Gary Lyon? Chris Connolly?

[r dub]

Lol now I know you are clueless. Boyd is not deadwood.

But hey, thanks for fucking up melbourne's list for the next 5-10 years. Who are you really? Cameron Schwab? Gary Lyon? Chris Connolly?

I didn't say Boyd was deadwood...

A bulldogs supporting beating up on melbourne really isn't fair, it's a bit like two guys arguing over who has a bigger centrelink payment.

[Notorious_29]

10 clearances and 19 contested possessions today, 6 more clearances than any North Melbourne player, whilst no North midfielder reached double digits in the CP count. Get's his hands on the footy first as well as anyone in the competition, albeit his disposal isn't flash his value to the team is invaluable. That type of dominance on the ball lifts team mates around him.

[Gus]

I didn't say Boyd was deadwood...

Then who was this post referring to?

Sorry I'm not interested in hoarding deadwood like the dogs are.

For someone who gives off an air of being intelligent, you are doing a pretty good job of dispelling that notion with this argument.

A bulldogs supporting beating up on melbourne really isn't fair, it's a bit like two guys arguing over who has a bigger centrelink payment.

Why? We've beaten them this year and sit three wins clear of them on the ladder. I'd say we are well within our rights to beat up on Melbourne.

[r dub]

Then who was this post referring to?



For someone who gives off an air of being intelligent, you are doing a pretty good job of dispelling that notion with this argument.



Why? We've beaten them this year and sit three wins clear of them on the ladder. I'd say we are well within our rights to beat up on Melbourne.

If you had paid any attention to what I have said in this thread you would know I think he is a valuable player (just terribly overrated), hence why I think you could get something out of trading him. If I thought he was deadwood I wouldn't think you would receive any decent compensation.

Players like ; Sherman, Higgins, Gilbee, Minson, Veszpremi are deadwood imo - deadwood at the dogs only, I think they have something left to give at other clubs.

[Gus]

If you had paid any attention to what I have said in this thread you would know I think he is a valuable player (just terribly overrated), hence why I think you could get something out of trading him. If I thought he was deadwood I wouldn't think you would receive any decent compensation.

Players like ; Sherman, Higgins, Gilbee, Minson, Veszpremi are deadwood imo - deadwood at the dogs only, I think they have something left to give at other clubs.

So in a discussion about the merits of Boyd being on the list, you change tack onto an irrelevant argument.

As for those players:

Sherman had 21 diposals and his two quick goals set us off today.

Higgins kicked a couple of goals but copped a head knock and was a bit out of it today. Has been good the past couple of weeks. Is a solid role player, but people expect him to be a superstar.

Gilbee- Won't be at the Dogs next year and isn't even playing so don't know what else you want.

Minson- we had all three of our senior listed ruckmen playing today, as did North. Minson was the pick of the bunch. No Minson= Cordy or Roughead as #1 ruck and they'll get killed week in week out.

Veszpremi- kept a similar aged player to 11 disposals and a goal (Cunnington, a top five pick in his draft year) while racking up 24 disposals at 84% efficiency himself.

[Nige Cooper]

A bulldogs supporting beating up on melbourne really isn't fair, it's a bit like two guys arguing over who has a bigger centrelink payment.

We have been ordinary but they've been taking shit to a new level. They might actually take the wooden spoon off the two new franchises.

Players like ; Sherman, Higgins, Gilbee, Minson, Veszpremi are deadwood imo - deadwood at the dogs only, I think they have something left to give at other clubs.

- I like Sherman, he gives us a bit of pace knows his way around the goals. Not deadwood
- Still undecided on Higgins, he shows he's capable of so much but then he has a few soft games or gets injured. Questionable but not yet deadwood
- I don't think you'll find a Dogs fan who wouldn't say that Gilbee's finished, he shouldn't play another game regardless of his injury so he's not worth a mention
- Minson's been one of our best (very good chance to take out the B+F) and has been more than capable this year now he's settled into the first ruck position. Definitely not deadwood
- I haven't followed Veszpremi too much so it's just a case of wait and see

[r dub]

So in a discussion about the merits of Boyd being on the list, you change tack onto an irrelevant argument.

As for those players:

Sherman had 21 diposals and his two quick goals set us off today.

Higgins kicked a couple of goals but copped a head knock and was a bit out of it today. Has been good the past couple of weeks. Is a solid role player, but people expect him to be a superstar.

Gilbee- Won't be at the Dogs next year and isn't even playing so don't know what else you want.

Minson- we had all three of our senior listed ruckmen playing today, as did North. Minson was the pick of the bunch. No Minson= Cordy or Roughead as #1 ruck and they'll get killed week in week out.

Veszpremi- kept a similar aged player to 11 disposals and a goal (Cunnington, a top five pick in his draft year) while racking up 24 disposals at 84% efficiency himself.

What's the relevance in saying I'm a melb list manager? Yeah thought so.

As long as those guys are on your list you aren't going anywhere, stop talking about your victory against north today and think big picture. Honestly you are bragging about a player keeping cunnington to 11 possessions?

[Easty]

C'mon r dub, you're an admin of an AFL based forum. Statements like that are bad for the site that you lead.

I'll give you Gilbee, 32 and past it. However, Minson is very important as he's the only ruckman we have that has over 25 AFL games experience so his role in their development is pretty important.

The rest of those players you listed are 25, 24 and 23 - still a couple of years away from hitting their prime and are all showing signs of taking that next important step and are therefore nowhere near 'deadwood' just yet.

But back to Boyd; 44 touches at 50%? That's still 22 effective disposals, only 5 less than Watson. The rest of their stats are similar and lets be honest, Watson is a very very good player too. I'd have them in the same category of player (both are also captains of their club) and are either the best or second best at their club (Arguments for Griffen could be made for Stanton). Both clubs at the end of last year both also had a very promising young midfielder coming through (Ward and Heppell respectively). So the two clubs are very comparable.

Now think back to the thread topic. To say the Bulldogs should've traded Boyd to GWS (remember that we didn't get a choice here) instead of Ward is exactly the same as saying Essendon should've let Watson go instead if they had targeted Heppell.

[Easty]

What's the relevance in saying I'm a melb list manager? Yeah thought so.

As long as those guys are on your list you aren't going anywhere, stop talking about your victory against north today and think big picture. Honestly you are bragging about a player keeping cunnington to 11 possessions?

Is Cunnington deadwood at North? If not then why shouldn't we be?

[r dub]

C'mon r dub, you're an admin of an AFL based forum. Statements like that are bad for the site that you lead.

I'll give you Gilbee, 32 and past it. However, Minson is very important as he's the only ruckman we have that has over 25 AFL games experience so his role in their development is pretty important.

The rest of those players you listed are 25, 24 and 23 - still a couple of years away from hitting their prime and are all showing signs of taking that next important step and are therefore nowhere near 'deadwood' just yet.

But back to Boyd; 44 touches at 50%? That's still 22 effective disposals, only 5 less than Watson. The rest of their stats are similar and lets be honest, Watson is a very very good player too. I'd have them in the same category of player (both are also captains of their club) and are either the best or second best at their club (Arguments for Griffen could be made for Stanton). Both clubs at the end of last year both also had a very promising young midfielder coming through (Ward and Heppell respectively). So the two clubs are very comparable.

Now think back to the thread topic. To say the Bulldogs should've traded Boyd to GWS (remember that we didn't get a choice here) instead of Ward is exactly the same as saying Essendon should've let Watson go instead if they had targeted Heppell.

My role on this site is irrelevant to the argument, I'm creating discussion and I left it after so many people got butthurt and my point was having merit but of course it got bumped after a nice stat sheet at first glance.

Please, please don't compare Watson and Boyd, Watson is so far superior it's not even funny. Watson dominated a top 4 team with a midfield in the top 3 on form. Boyd and the dogs played North on the back of a perth trip FFS.

Higgins and Sherman are straight up front runners and are soft, if you can't admit that don't bother replying. Not sure if serious with patty.

Minson is just a competing journeyman

As I said none of these guys are going to be in your 22 if you want to be taken seriously as a side.

Your last point is irrelevant as Watson is far superior and isn't the same type of player as heppell, even then I would keep Watson.

[Big Sledge]

r dub where do you rate Boyd?

Like give me a ball park figure top 20? top 50? top 100?

Also through out a few players who you see as on a similar level to him.

I understand you think he is overrated but I'm curious to the level in which you place him.

[r dub]

r dub where do you rate Boyd?

Like give me a ball park figure top 20? top 50? top 100?

Also through out a few players who you see as on a similar level to him.

I understand you think he is overrated but I'm curious to the level in which you place him.

I'll go off the top of my head for mids I have in front of Boyd, pls note it's in no particular order and based upon this year + previous years

1. Ablett
2. Pendles
3. Swan
4. Watson
5. Mitchell
6. Judd
7. Josh Kennedy
8. Scott Thopmson
9. Marc Murphy
10. Josh Kennedy
11. Matthew Priddis
12. Brent Stanton
13. Brendan Goddard
14. Lenny Hayes
15. Brett Deledio
16. Ryan Griffen
17. Jordan Lewis
18. Jimmy Bartel
19. Joel Selwood
20. Andrew Swallow
21. Nick Dal Santo
22. Daniel Kerr
23. Trent Cotchin

Probably missed some names out but as I said it was off the top of my head. Looking at that list I'd say very few people would select Boyd ahead of the players I listed, swallow is probably the toughest call there.

[Nige Cooper]

As I said none of these guys are going to be in your 22 if you want to be taken seriously as a side.

Even if they were as bad as you're saying, what can the club do, just trade all their developed players for draft picks?

We've just started a rebuilding phase which means gradually phasing out the older players who can't cut it any more (Gilbee, Gia, Hargrave, Cross etc), cutting and trading the rubbish, getting games into the young players (Libba, Wallis, Smith, Howard, Cordy, Roughead etc) and maintaining the players who've still got a bit to offer (Minson, Picken, Wood, Higgins, Sherman etc).

We just came off a flag tilt, it's not like we're gonna develop and trade-in a premiership contending team overnight

[MarshallMathers]

Different interpretations of the word "deadwood".

It's not a bad player, just someone who is holding the club back.